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IdentifierOH_Abbey_GeorgeSourceThe Museum of Flight Oral History Collection (2019-00-00-100), Digital RecordingsCreatorMuseum of Flight (Seattle, Wash.)IntervieweeAbbey, George, 1932-2024InterviewerSchultz, JakeDescriptionBorn-digital video recording of an oral history with George W. S. Abbey and interviewer Jake Schultz, recorded as part of The Museum of Flight Oral History Program, December 7, 2018.AbstractRetired NASA administrator George W. S. Abbey is interviewed about his aerospace career and his contributions to human spaceflight. He discusses his service with the U.S. Air Force during the 1950s and 1960s, focusing in particular on his involvement in the Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar Program. He then discusses his experiences at NASA and describes his career progression from systems engineer to director of the Johnson Space Center (Texas). Notable topics discussed include the Apollo Program, the Space Shuttle Program, and the International Space Station. He also touches on his work with Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy, the International Space Medicine Summit, The Museum of Flight, and other institutions.BiographyGeorge W.S. Abbey was a NASA administrator who worked on numerous human spaceflight programs and served as Director of the Johnson Space Center (Texas). George William Samuel Abbey was born in Seattle, Washington on August 21, 1932 to Sam and Brenta Abbey. He attended John B. Allen Elementary School, Hamilton Junior High School, and Lincoln High School, all in the Seattle area.
Abbey entered the U.S. Naval Academy (Annapolis, Maryland) in 1950, initially with the intent of becoming a naval aviator. However, after graduation, he accepted a transfer to the U.S. Air Force so that he could enter flight training directly without first having to serve sea duty. During his Air Force service, he flew a variety of helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft, including the North American T-28 Trojan, the Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star, and the Boeing C-135 Stratolifter. He also earned a master’s degree in electrical engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology (Ohio). Afterwards, he worked with Boeing on the Dyna-Soar Program, helping to develop the avionics for the X-20 spaceplane.
In 1964, following the cancellation of the Dyna-Soar Program, Abbey joined the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) as a system engineer for the Apollo Program. He served as assistant to several NASA administrators, including Joseph F. Shea, George M. Low, Robert R. Gilruth, and Chris C. Kraft, and contributed heavily to the Apollo missions. In 1976, he was named Director of Flight Operations at the Johnson Space Center (JSC), and in 1983, he was appointed Director of the Flight Crew Operations Directorate. In this role, he oversaw astronaut recruitment activities for the Space Shuttle Program, focusing in particular on recruiting minority and women candidates.
In 1988, Abbey left JSC to serve as deputy associate administrator for spaceflight at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Subsequent assignments included serving on the National Space Council and Synthesis Group, helping to shape U.S. space initiatives and strategies. During the 1990s, he advocated for the Space Station Program and encouraged the transition for the Space Station Freedom to the International Space Station. In 1996, he was appointed director of the JSC, a position he held until 2001. He retired from NASA in 2003.
Following his retirement, Abbey became a Fellow at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy. He also co-founded the annual International Space Medicine Summit with Bobby Alford. Abbey was married to Joyce Widerman, whom he had met at the U.S. Naval Academy. They had five children together but later divorced. Abbey died March 24, 2024.
Biographical information derived from interview and additional information provided by interviewee.Table of ContentsIntroduction and personal background -- Early aviation experiences -- Naval Academy appointment and decision to join the Air Force -- Assignments and missions during service -- Involvement with the Dyna-Soar Program -- Career at NASA during the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs -- Selecting astronaut crews -- More about the Dyna-Soar Program -- Northrop T-38 Talon -- Installation of the Destiny module -- Team-building activities and a sense of mission accomplishment -- Ensuring opportunities for astronauts -- Thoughts on Presidential support of the Space Program -- Transition from Space Station Freedom to the International Space Station -- Work with the Synthesis Group and National Space Council -- Comparing the Columbia and Challenger disasters -- Work at the Baker Institute -- Thoughts on being involved with the Space Program -- Donating personal papers to The Museum of Flight -- International Space Medicine Summit -- Impact of colleagues on career -- Thoughts for students and researchers -- Defining the role of astronaut -- Questions about Pete Conrad’s mix tape and the Full Fuselage Trainer -- Involvement with The Museum of FlightCreation Date2018-12-07SubjectAbbey, George, 1932-2024Air pilots, MilitaryAstronautsInternational Space StationLyndon B. Johnson Space CenterMoon--ExplorationProject Apollo (U.S.)Project Gemini (U.S.)Space shuttlesSpace Station Freedom Program (U.S.)United States. National Aeronautics and Space AdministrationExtent1 recording (1 hr., 53 min., 20 sec.) : digitalLanguageEnglishOriginal Formatoral histories (literary works)born digitalBibliographic CitationThe Museum of Flight Oral History Collection/The Museum of FlightRightsIn copyrightTranscriptionGeorge Abbey oral history interview
Abbey entered the U.S. Naval Academy (Annapolis, Maryland) in 1950, initially with the intent of becoming a naval aviator. However, after graduation, he accepted a transfer to the U.S. Air Force so that he could enter flight training directly without first having to serve sea duty. During his Air Force service, he flew a variety of helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft, including the North American T-28 Trojan, the Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star, and the Boeing C-135 Stratolifter. He also earned a master’s degree in electrical engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology (Ohio). Afterwards, he worked with Boeing on the Dyna-Soar Program, helping to develop the avionics for the X-20 spaceplane.
In 1964, following the cancellation of the Dyna-Soar Program, Abbey joined the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) as a system engineer for the Apollo Program. He served as assistant to several NASA administrators, including Joseph F. Shea, George M. Low, Robert R. Gilruth, and Chris C. Kraft, and contributed heavily to the Apollo missions. In 1976, he was named Director of Flight Operations at the Johnson Space Center (JSC), and in 1983, he was appointed Director of the Flight Crew Operations Directorate. In this role, he oversaw astronaut recruitment activities for the Space Shuttle Program, focusing in particular on recruiting minority and women candidates.
In 1988, Abbey left JSC to serve as deputy associate administrator for spaceflight at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Subsequent assignments included serving on the National Space Council and Synthesis Group, helping to shape U.S. space initiatives and strategies. During the 1990s, he advocated for the Space Station Program and encouraged the transition for the Space Station Freedom to the International Space Station. In 1996, he was appointed director of the JSC, a position he held until 2001. He retired from NASA in 2003.
Following his retirement, Abbey became a Fellow at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy. He also co-founded the annual International Space Medicine Summit with Bobby Alford. Abbey was married to Joyce Widerman, whom he had met at the U.S. Naval Academy. They had five children together but later divorced. Abbey died March 24, 2024.
Biographical information derived from interview and additional information provided by interviewee.Table of ContentsIntroduction and personal background -- Early aviation experiences -- Naval Academy appointment and decision to join the Air Force -- Assignments and missions during service -- Involvement with the Dyna-Soar Program -- Career at NASA during the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs -- Selecting astronaut crews -- More about the Dyna-Soar Program -- Northrop T-38 Talon -- Installation of the Destiny module -- Team-building activities and a sense of mission accomplishment -- Ensuring opportunities for astronauts -- Thoughts on Presidential support of the Space Program -- Transition from Space Station Freedom to the International Space Station -- Work with the Synthesis Group and National Space Council -- Comparing the Columbia and Challenger disasters -- Work at the Baker Institute -- Thoughts on being involved with the Space Program -- Donating personal papers to The Museum of Flight -- International Space Medicine Summit -- Impact of colleagues on career -- Thoughts for students and researchers -- Defining the role of astronaut -- Questions about Pete Conrad’s mix tape and the Full Fuselage Trainer -- Involvement with The Museum of FlightCreation Date2018-12-07SubjectAbbey, George, 1932-2024Air pilots, MilitaryAstronautsInternational Space StationLyndon B. Johnson Space CenterMoon--ExplorationProject Apollo (U.S.)Project Gemini (U.S.)Space shuttlesSpace Station Freedom Program (U.S.)United States. National Aeronautics and Space AdministrationExtent1 recording (1 hr., 53 min., 20 sec.) : digitalLanguageEnglishOriginal Formatoral histories (literary works)born digitalBibliographic CitationThe Museum of Flight Oral History Collection/The Museum of FlightRightsIn copyrightTranscriptionGeorge Abbey oral history interview
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